tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24907344.post1507662233178699317..comments2024-01-31T12:57:13.682-08:00Comments on Dangerfields Musings: Is the Black Church Guilty of Criminal Negligence ?Dangerfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01881999761526327887noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24907344.post-41620490742674581232007-08-07T14:08:00.000-07:002007-08-07T14:08:00.000-07:00Anon if you are so wise and thoughtful then you sh...Anon if you are so wise and thoughtful then you should post your name, and preachers advising a population of people being devestated by aids, fatherless kids and children born out of wedlock to use condoms if they are going to have sex before marraige (which black people proven they are going to do) is what needs to happen to save lives. <BR/><BR/>Also unless you waited until you were married toDangerfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01881999761526327887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24907344.post-6517002706325146742007-08-07T10:03:00.000-07:002007-08-07T10:03:00.000-07:00A preacher promoting fornication. Are you out of y...A preacher promoting fornication. Are you out of your mind? If anyone here wants to talk about this nonsense, yuo can call me anytime after 6:00 p.m. 919/278-8911 Somebody has to take a stand against sin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24907344.post-14215577883075441372007-05-25T14:01:00.000-07:002007-05-25T14:01:00.000-07:00“Please do not think because I am rigirously debat...“Please do not think because I am rigirously debating you I have got personal animosity towards you becasause I dont.”<BR/><BR/>Oh not at all, I enjoy your questions and perspectives you present, I don’t see it as debate just discussion.<BR/><BR/>“I actually think highly of you and share many oppinions and beleifs similar to yours other than religion.”<BR/><BR/>Thanks, I also appreciate your Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24907344.post-85502744452573714122007-05-25T13:47:00.000-07:002007-05-25T13:47:00.000-07:00Mark:I wrote:“And, you can watch a male chimpanzee...Mark:<BR/><BR/>I wrote:<BR/><BR/>“And, you can watch a male chimpanzee go up to a female chimp, kill her child and mate with her, which would be considered infanticide and rape in our civilized cultures (and even in our uncivilized cultures if one assumes less developed civilizations are “uncivilized”, I do not.) "<BR/><BR/>You replied: mark bey: Male chimps do sometimes behave in the way you Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24907344.post-79931074913644826852007-05-25T13:38:00.000-07:002007-05-25T13:38:00.000-07:00excellent debate Dj I hate to thrash you keep comm...excellent debate Dj I hate to thrash you keep comming back for more. <BR/><BR/>Just joking. Listening my man I will respond to this in more detail tonight when I get home. <BR/>Please do not think because I am rigirously debating you I have got personal animosity towards you becasause I dont. <BR/><BR/>I actually think highly of you and share many oppinions and beleifs similar to yours other thanDangerfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01881999761526327887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24907344.post-37994223646346668782007-05-25T13:33:00.000-07:002007-05-25T13:33:00.000-07:00" And, you can watch a male chimpanzee go up to a ..." And, you can watch a male chimpanzee go up to a female chimp, kill her child and mate with her, which would be considered infanticide and rape in our civilized cultures (and even in our uncivilized cultures if one assumes less developed civilizations are “uncivilized”, I do not.) "<BR/><BR/>mark bey: Male chimps do sometimes behave in the way you indicated, but so do male and female humans. Dangerfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01881999761526327887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24907344.post-39602167230511618342007-05-25T13:32:00.000-07:002007-05-25T13:32:00.000-07:00Hello again Mark:I wrote: “I don’t see the confusi...Hello again Mark:<BR/><BR/>I wrote: <BR/><BR/>“I don’t see the confusion, it is called metaphor and analogy. Not uncommon in most forms of literature taught to the average 6th grader."<BR/><BR/>your replied: “mark bey: The problem with what you said is that you and others claim the bible to be "TRUTH" and an accurate account of how things unfolded on earth not literature .”<BR/><BR/>Please stop Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24907344.post-75000674207648860812007-05-25T13:21:00.000-07:002007-05-25T13:21:00.000-07:00Hello again Mark:I wrote:“If Moses grew up in the ...Hello again Mark:<BR/><BR/>I wrote:<BR/><BR/>“If Moses grew up in the royal house of Pharoah, it can be assumed he was educated as a prince in Egypt. " <BR/><BR/>You replied: “mark bey: No it cannot assumed, that the pharoahs and thier children were schooled in the knowledge of the priesthood.”<BR/><BR/>It can be ASSUMED, it cannot be stated as fact, it is a presupposition that you can either Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24907344.post-54935735246931682362007-05-25T13:19:00.000-07:002007-05-25T13:19:00.000-07:00" To say this is similar to assume that Prince Ch..." To say this is similar to assume that Prince Charles has been educated as the royal house of Windsor is normally educated, thereby familiar with the science, literature and mathematics of the time as taught in the United Kingdom, this is therefore an educated guess, a “theory” as you say."<BR/><BR/>mark bey: DJ your making this too easy you can go online and find out how the kings and queens Dangerfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01881999761526327887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24907344.post-34627671894614132552007-05-25T12:46:00.000-07:002007-05-25T12:46:00.000-07:00" If Moses grew up in the royal house of Pharoah, ..." <BR/>If Moses grew up in the royal house of Pharoah, it can be assumed he was educated as a prince in Egypt. " <BR/><BR/>mark bey: No it cannot assumed, that the pharoahs and thier children were schooled in the knowledge of the priesthood. Also the key word is assume you dont have proof.Dangerfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01881999761526327887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24907344.post-39632238715370736342007-05-25T12:42:00.000-07:002007-05-25T12:42:00.000-07:00" No I do not. I don’t believe any religion is a f..." No I do not. I don’t believe any religion is a fairy tale, I believe that all the religious traditions are very real social constructs, faith systems, that people are part of out of tradition, need for companions, cultural identity, political affiliation, or in some cases, a search for God. It would be a denial of this social reality to refer to ANY religion as a fairy tale." <BR/><BR/>mark beyDangerfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01881999761526327887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24907344.post-42008939426226645562007-05-25T12:23:00.000-07:002007-05-25T12:23:00.000-07:00Mark:You wrote: “mark bey: This may be true but hu...Mark:<BR/><BR/>You wrote: “mark bey: This may be true but human biengs have a natural curiosity to know why, where and how things came into bieng. Also how can you posibly know that mosses knew as much of the science that the egyptians had. You are making assumptions unless the the bible states this.”<BR/><BR/>If Moses grew up in the royal house of Pharoah, it can be assumed he was educated as a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24907344.post-43178563799473747602007-05-25T11:52:00.000-07:002007-05-25T11:52:00.000-07:00Dj Adam" I don’t think the intent, of Moses in wri...Dj Adam<BR/><BR/>" <BR/>I don’t think the intent, of Moses in writing Genesis for example, was to “explain” lifes mysteries. Moses “who knew as much science as the Egyptians had at that time"<BR/><BR/>mark bey: This may be true but human biengs have a natural curiosity to know why, where and how things came into bieng. Also how can you posibly know that mosses knew as much of the science that theDangerfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01881999761526327887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24907344.post-68360186955421245742007-05-25T08:56:00.000-07:002007-05-25T08:56:00.000-07:00Brotha DJ thank you for comments I am enjoying thi...Brotha DJ thank you for comments I am enjoying this debate I will respond when I get back from lunch.Dangerfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01881999761526327887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24907344.post-47890945469701649432007-05-25T08:52:00.000-07:002007-05-25T08:52:00.000-07:00Look Mark, I feel you on some things, but you wrot...Look Mark, I feel you on some things, but you wrote:<BR/><BR/>“mark bey: If Jesus were around today I think (giving the reality of what actually is happening) he would advise people to wait until marraige but if they didnt wait I think he would advise them to practice safe sex.”<BR/><BR/>What do you base this assertion on? From the best reliable source of information regarding ANYTHING Jesus saidAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24907344.post-69995905171770061012007-05-25T08:29:00.000-07:002007-05-25T08:29:00.000-07:00@Mark:Boy, you like to give a brotha a lot to writ...@Mark:<BR/><BR/>Boy, you like to give a brotha a lot to write about lol, let’s go over a few things: <BR/><BR/>You wrote: “mark bey: You only agree that christianity and christ isnt a fairytale.<BR/><BR/>No I do not. I don’t believe any religion is a fairy tale, I believe that all the religious traditions are very real social constructs, faith systems, that people are part of out of tradition, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24907344.post-48224731467449940922007-05-25T08:28:00.000-07:002007-05-25T08:28:00.000-07:00Dang mark, every time I answer something, you come...Dang mark, every time I answer something, you come with something else I feel compelled to clarify:<BR/><BR/>You wrote: mark bey: I agree with this statemen, the bible and most relgions were invented before the devopment of science came along that could explain lifes mysteries. <BR/><BR/>I don’t think the intent, of Moses in writing Genesis for example, was to “explain” lifes mysteries. Moses “Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24907344.post-72692270427794021992007-05-24T19:28:00.000-07:002007-05-24T19:28:00.000-07:00" Has any one thought that when the bible was wri..." Has any one thought that when the bible was written that puberty began much later and one could be married as soon as they entered puberty" <BR/><BR/>mark bey: I agree with this statemen, the bible and most relgions were invented before the devopment of science came along that could explain lifes mysteries. That is why the religous folks still are rejecting evolution even as the evidence Dangerfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01881999761526327887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24907344.post-22953875523796125202007-05-24T19:17:00.000-07:002007-05-24T19:17:00.000-07:00" What Would Jesus Do, and that' s the missing pie..." What Would Jesus Do, and that' s the missing piece of the puzzle."<BR/><BR/>mark bey: If Jesus were around today I think (giving the reality of what actually is happening) he would advise people to wait until marraige but if they didnt wait I think he would advise them to practice safe sex.Dangerfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01881999761526327887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24907344.post-40569740879520313012007-05-24T19:09:00.000-07:002007-05-24T19:09:00.000-07:00DJ Adam"That means that their priorities aren’t st...DJ Adam<BR/><BR/>"That means that their priorities aren’t straight. Being a Christian is about relationship with Christ, not religion and church. I understand leaving a Church can be hard, but I tell you this, If I was a member of a Church that preached against Black people or whatever, I’d say peace see ya later."<BR/><BR/>mark bey: I agree with this, Jesus never called himself a christian Dangerfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01881999761526327887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24907344.post-90931507516484472852007-05-24T17:10:00.000-07:002007-05-24T17:10:00.000-07:00The black church still wants the power in some cit...The black church still wants the power in some cities to influence politics and have the social standing. Since in many instances we have given the church this position arising out of our previous cultural problems; perhaps we should look to another type of spirituality that will benefit our way of life. We can't stay with abstinence only religious idea, when it is killing us. That way of life Hathorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12657524404057819428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24907344.post-88038359523973156502007-05-24T14:20:00.000-07:002007-05-24T14:20:00.000-07:00" If the CHURCH did what JESUS really would do" I ..." If the CHURCH did what JESUS really would do" <BR/><BR/>I stopped that comment right there, because that's the most crucial point. What Would Jesus Do, and that' s the missing piece of the puzzle. This was a serious debate going on here...I'm going to have to print it and read all the comments later.JustMeWritinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09722572546532291972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24907344.post-28908594642710307392007-05-24T14:14:00.000-07:002007-05-24T14:14:00.000-07:00Well I can agree with part of that, Christianity (...Well I can agree with part of that, Christianity (the religion) I could easily seperate from, Christ, the person or His Gospel, I never would.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24907344.post-44703387105932500302007-05-24T14:00:00.000-07:002007-05-24T14:00:00.000-07:00" If the CHURCH did what JESUS really would do, as..." If the CHURCH did what JESUS really would do, as opposed to the tired traditions and political panderings of people like Jesse Jackson or prosperity gospels of people like Creflo Dollar" <BR/><BR/>mark bey: I agree I cant stand Creflo Dollar and I dont believe Jesse should be allowed to call himself a preacher/reverend.<BR/><BR/>Also the point you made about spirituality vs religion is one I Dangerfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01881999761526327887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24907344.post-71105536437848146152007-05-24T13:59:00.000-07:002007-05-24T13:59:00.000-07:00Hello Mark:You wrote: “Also I am not arguing the ...Hello Mark:<BR/><BR/>You wrote: “Also I am not arguing the homosexual agenda but fair is fair and the prejudice that the church has promoted against gays is disgusting and hurtful.”<BR/><BR/>On that we would agree.<BR/><BR/>You wrote: “Some of those "stupid" gay men you are refering to have been life time memebers of the church and christians thire whole lives who have contributed to the church Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com